What does collectivism home have to do with anything we have
discussed. And yes, private property rights, but who is stopping you from
inviting anyone to your home?
You know “if all men were angels”, there would be no need for
borders or government, sadly that is not the case with humanity. If that
were the case, we’d be in complete agreement, but until then borders are
necessary. Maybe in heaven things will be different.
Thanks again,
Rob
PS I claim no party, I firmly believe in Individualism.
From: Jacob Hornberger [mailto:jhornberger@fff.org]
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 7:27 PM
To: Rob John
Subject: Re: Open borders
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 7:27 PM
To: Rob John
Subject: Re: Open borders
I didn't miss it at all. I said that this isn't Cuba where
people see the entire nation as a collectivist home. Socialism is not the
heritage of the US. our nation is not a collectivist home owned by the
government. It is instead a nation consisting of privately owned properties.
Each owner has the right to invite whoever he wants into his home or business.
That's what freedom and private property rights are all about.
Me too!
Jacob
I appreciate the conversation.
Sincerely, Rob
On Sep 9, 2014 5:24 AM, "Jacob Hornberger" <jhornberger@fff.org>
wrote:
Hi Rob,
My house belongs to me, not to you, not to the government, and not to society. I have the right to leave it locked or unlocked. I also have the right to invite anyone I want into it, to eat, to visit, to work, or to live. Remember: It's my house (and my money).
My house belongs to me, not to you, not to the government, and not to society. I have the right to leave it locked or unlocked. I also have the right to invite anyone I want into it, to eat, to visit, to work, or to live. Remember: It's my house (and my money).
The same goes for you. It's
your house. You can refuse to invite anyone you want. You can lock yourself
into it and never interact with anyone.It's your right. It's your house and
your money.
You don't have the right to interfere with how I live my life, and I don't have the right to interfere with how you live your life.
You don't have the right to interfere with how I live my life, and I don't have the right to interfere with how you live your life.
Finally, this is not Cuba,
where the government owns everything and the nation is considered to be a
collectivist home, one that the government controls entry and exit to. This is
the United States, a nation that is supposed to be based on private ownership
of property, one in which people are free to own (and control) individual homes
as their private property.
Have I answered your question?
By the way, I'll be on Stossel on Sept. 18 at 9pm on Fox Business making the case for open immigration. It's really the only concept that is consistent with liberty, free markets, and private property. Immigration controls are nothing but a socialist concept, which is why they produce chronic crises and chaos. Who wants to be a socialist?
Have I answered your question?
By the way, I'll be on Stossel on Sept. 18 at 9pm on Fox Business making the case for open immigration. It's really the only concept that is consistent with liberty, free markets, and private property. Immigration controls are nothing but a socialist concept, which is why they produce chronic crises and chaos. Who wants to be a socialist?
Thanks for your note!
Best regards,
Jacob
Jacob
On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 9:20 PM, Rob <robjohn@rob-john.net>
wrote:
Hi
Jacob,
Sorry
I am so late to respond back, but I have one lingering question regarding this
subject.
Being
that you believe in open borders, does this mean you never lock your car, and
never lock your house doors and windows? How do unlocked doors and
windows protect your rights?
Rob
John
The
Individualist
From: Jacob Hornberger
[mailto:jhornberger@fff.org]
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2014 12:07 PM
To: Rob
Subject: Re: Open borders
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2014 12:07 PM
To: Rob
Subject: Re: Open borders
I
have the right to hire anyone I want and to associate with whomever I want and
to invite into my home anyone I want. These are fundamental rights--freedom of
association, liberty of contract, and economic liberty. It's my money, my
business, my life, and my home. No one has the legitimate authority to take
these rights away from me. You have the right not to associate or hire anyone
you don't want to hire or associate with. Open borders protects your rights and
mine. Closed borders infringe upon such rights.
On
Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 7:14 PM, Rob <robjohn@rob-john.net>
wrote:
How
does open-borders promote and protect our rights and liberty? Protecting
our rights is the most fundamental responsibility of government.
Rob
John
From: Jacob Hornberger
[mailto:jhornberger@fff.org]
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2014 1:47 PM
To: Rob John
Subject: Re: Open borders
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2014 1:47 PM
To: Rob John
Subject: Re: Open borders
Open
borders don't bring peace and harmony but rather are consistent with peace and
harmony. The U.S. had open borders for more than 100 years after the
Constitution called the federal government into existence. At Ellis Island
there was a cursory TB inspection and that was it. Anyone could enter. On the
southern border, no controls whatsoever, especially after Polk stole the
northern half of Mexico in the Mexican War. Also, check out Argentina--open
borders in the late 1800s and early 1900s, until Peron got it and rejected it,
just like FDR. During the open border period period, Buenos Aires was a booming
city--second largest on the eastern seaboard.
On
Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 5:00 PM, Rob John <robjohn@rob-john.net>
wrote:
Nice idea, but where in history has open borders brought about peace and
harmony? --
Jacob Hornberger
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